KFNA Green Committee: Special Meeting with PCNF regarding Green Elements at 3700
Present: Dave Saddoris and Karen Pieper
Absent: Darrell Gerber, David Postosky
Temporarily on leave: Tom Parent
Also Present: Sarah Linnes-Robinson
Dave, Karen, and Sarah met with Matt (PCNF) and Michelle (PCNF Architect) to discuss green elements in the proposed development of 3700 Nicollet. Michelle stated they will build to the Green Communities standards and the checklist was reviewed (the new 2008 version is attached, although the group walked through the older version at the meeting). The PCNF team also presented a list of items above these standards that they were considering for the project. KFNA representatives stated that the Green Communities criteria for building was a good start, but KFNA would not consider partnering resources to meet the required items. KFNA did say that if PCNF did pursue some of the additional items, there was a possibility that KFNA would partner resources.
The list of additional items that was presented included:
Pervious paving (in lieu of asphalt): $36,000-$53,0000
Concrete paving (in lieu of asphalt): $8000-$10,000
Green roof: $260,000
Solar hot water heating: $80,000-$100,000
White roof (in lieu of EPDM): $21,000
FSC certified wood (50%): $20,000-$86,000
Curtains (in lieu of vinyl blinds): $5000-$16,000
Spray foam insulation: $50,000
This list represents the rough costs as a possible range for these green upgrades. The exact cost would depend upon the design of the system and the particular product specified.
In discussing pervious paving, KFNA representatives felt that the cost may not be worth the benefit in the rear parking are which is not visible from the street. Rather since the entire site will be dug up, PCNF may want to consider underground storage for stormwater instead, and could even research the storage practices that KFNA installed at West 40th street at part of the Stormwater Management Project (see PDF at HYPERLINK “http://www.kingfield.org/” http://www.kingfield.org/ under Stormwater Project, Site Layouts). Pervious pavers may be worthwhile, however, in front of the retail area.
Roof options were discussed and KFNA did state they have had a difficult time securing funding for green roofs since there are so many more projects in the public now. Possibly PCNF will want to consider a green roof on part of the building, or a white roof. Saddoris felt that solar water heating on the roof would result in a pay-off in a relatively short number of years (8-10?) and should be considered.
Of the other options, spray foam insulation was felt to be preferable to other methods of insulation. Curtains and FSC certified wood were only briefly discussed.
Minutes provided by Linnes-Robinson, Executive Director, KFNA, 3/7/08.